OMN (Open Media Network)

Last updated:
    2016-12-12
    2017-02-02 (david)
    2017-05-20 touch/overview/update ?







NEW BASICS

* http://omn.openworlds.info/ (down 2017-08-01)
* [...]





What is OMN

* Hamish's site, content tagged with #omn:
http://hamishcampbell.com/en/navigate?p_p_id=148_INSTANCE_2TwY&p_p_lifecycle=0&p_p_state=normal&p_p_mode=view&p_p_col_id=column-1&p_p_col_pos=2&p_p_col_count=4&p_r_p_564233524_resetCur=true&p_r_p_564233524_tag=omn

* workon wiki:
    http://kune.cc/#!omn.wiki.68947.26004
    Update 2017-05-20: not main content anymore

* http://github.com/Openmedianetwork/OMN/wiki/user-storys

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INTERNAL

    Collaboration and documentation platform choice

We are looking for a multi-user #4opens organising project with an activity stream and open wiki - owned by a natural party outside our network, if possable.

hamish suggested/tried:

    * Crabgrass / Riseup:
        no-good markup!
        doesn't really offer features!

    * Kune:
        OMN TEST: http://kune.cc/#!omn.wiki.68947.26004
        DAVID USER PAGE: http://kune.cc/#!dcht00
        ----------
        <<h: kinda works, so putting a bit of work into it
        <<d: i don't like the long and strange loading/waiting
        -------
        think that's bcs its runing "Apache Wave" in the background doing weird p2p stuff
        in theory its real time social editeing like eather pad?
        I actualy quite like it BUT have come across some glitches which suggest its not ready to use for real stuff. might just be me? so wider view needed.
        whats your username so I can buddy you?
        --> dcht00 >hamish

    * riot.im:
        is a chat room app that lacks wiki pages...

    * http://openworlds.info/en/wiki:
        old school


david suggested/tried:
    * E2H + Etherpad (totalism.org system):
        <<h: looked at it - it's a part solution, might do the job?
        >hamish, what are you missing?
    * [...]




    #TODO

        >hamish

What are these links:
* http://omn-tomspost.c9users.io/
* [...]


you need someone to spell correct after


        >david
:
    * set some sort of RSS feed for totalism.org
    * set up POSTMEDIA
    * [...]




    Discussion / Sources tomerge

Thread on facebook:
    http://www.facebook.com/visionontv/posts/10153923068757294?comment_id=10153923284157294&notif_t=comment_mention&notif_id=1481548624892622




************* RECENT DEBATE

what do you think of linking in the openweb?
http://hamishcampbell.com/en/home/-/blogs/building-alt-grassroots-media-networks-to-challenge-the-traditional-media

--This is underspecified. Can you show what you mean exactly, just any links, to related content, on what grounds are these selected etc


the left is about solidarity and mutual aid - I would think linking on the openweb would be a very basic outcome of this.
this is a VERY BAD history of the one solution in the left. so diversity ie. linking is a basic good to not repeat this nasty outcome.

But media are not solutions
Totalism.org/alike is more to what you are talking about here. But that's a digression
Do you just want a box of links to main page of other sites like is known on blogs for ages?

On the water 

Like a blog roll, link blog, image news flash ect. #reboot the world of links parrarel to the #dotcon world.
well why don't you just call it a blog roll then
anyway personally i'm not convinced at all that putting links to main pages of other sites would change the way i navigate at all


It's half tech/half social - its not for you. Its for them to take the first step to network.
A link is a step.
Do you get that?

a step towards what?


Ok then the is little hope talking about this subject? It's in every post and conversation?

well look the conversations are because I trust you have something, and because nobody else (or very few people) are trying anything in this direction
i'm still trying to figure it out, and as you might admit, you're not giving a clear specification. that's why i'm asking questions
so far i get you want an "open media network" (whatever specifically that might be) and that you want this, i now understand, simple blog roll (which you really might want to consider just saying clearly it's that then)
so ok i'm still interested: what's this blog roll of (and on) independent media sites leading too finally? what's the next step? and how is it leading in that direction?

Am coming up to a lock, read back on the blog it's all there.
The outcome I would like from you is a public and private conversation with the 3 groups in the last post. So they get prided from diffrent directions. Not just dilog from me.

I just am interested to get an answer to my questions
I tried making sense of what you are doing before and still am. So if you'll help me fine if not then fine as well..


It's a bootem up distributed/redundant  samantic data soup. That peopule can build tools out of the flows.
#4opens
#reboot #openweb
As the new.
Dotcons are dust...

In easey steps. 1) refocus on open web by conusly desideing to link
2) build tools to make this easey
3) these tools feed all the content into the semantic soup.
4) people see value in this new enriched  commons and build new apps useing this open enriched data flow.
5) a 4opens "ecosystem" comes into being.
Etc.

Semantic soup??
First hit is a 16 year old article http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/Europe/events/foaf-galway/papers/fp/semantic_soup/

The Semantic Web as a Semantic Soup
w3.org
You cant use these terms without clearing them up or linking
Is what this article says the definite version? ...


It's unstructured semantic lyrics rich data ie. A tasty soup.
Rich
It's a bootem up way of building linked data. Top down is NOT going to work.
Ie. Creating a commons with value that leaves the #dotcons in dusty past.
Just to repeat top down is not going to work.
David
No this ancient "semantic cookie" stuff can't be it. So again the explanation can't possibly be considered clear..


Not read the artical, looking now 
David
Again what is that?
Semantic lyrics rich data?
I've done semantic tech since '07, cravling the complete blogosphere and putting links on page to other stuff (as zemanta startup.) but you are not making yourself clear neither on technical spec, nor on how it would look.


I think the geeky minded are missing the human social side of the OMN
It's stupid/simple and inefficient that's why it will work.
David
Excuse me i'm a humanist not a "geek". My background is in philosophy. When i ask you for unclear term definitions I'd appreciate if you clear them up not insult me.
Your idea of a soup is still completely vague so please put efffort in that if you'd like to continue the conversation.


It's feendishy simple . Just RSS and 4opens
The data soup is a open network of user facing databases. Synchronising flows of text content built by a tag fosksonamy.
What it looks like in the first step is a sidebar blog roll, artical list, photo newsflash etc.
On the user side
On the media distribution side aggregating  "hubs" on diffrent subjects.
David
Which rss reader do you use? It's believed that is a dead tech though i agree THAT is a direction to push for. (Non facebook part algo part people curated feeds.)
http://datproject.org/ this is the current thing for open data collections that seems to fit your vision. Either if you are imagining something built on top of this , OR you want to criticize it for whatever reason , you cant ignore it

Dat
Dat is the non-profit, secure, and distributed package manager for data.
datproject.org
I still dont "SEE" , and that is as a user not a tech person, how you imagine your data flows and "hubs on different subjects" look like
So your vision seems vague from both the tech side, aka HOW (it is not a spec) and the user side (it is not a ui design, or a understandable benefit aka what/why